#3 Frank and Harmon Colvett – Crossing the Finish Line in Normandy: A Father-Son Journey Through History

Amy (00:00) Welcome to Just a Thought with Amy Keys. We are here to inspire, educate, inform, and entertain. Today's episode features two fabulous gentlemen, father and son crossing the finish line in France. First of all, we have Frank, our real estate agent, husband, dad, marathon runner, excellent conversationalist, history buff, reader, and dad to dog Ava.

And son Harmon, who is our charming, brilliant author, EMT, engaged Mizzou grad, loves learning languages, running, biking, and has a tuxedo cat named Stan. So welcome, gentlemen. So

Frank (00:42) All right. Thank you for having us.

Amy (00:44) happy to have you here to hear your amazing story about running a marathon, in France. But first I have two questions for you that are not related to.

To the journey we're going to talk about is number one, how did you name your cat Stan?

Harmon (01:03) So we got Stanley from a coworker. Okay. I would love to say that he's named after Stanley Tucci. Okay. because the Devil Wears Prada two came out and I I just watched that movie. Okay. But that was his name when we got him and we just did a little stand.

Frank (01:21) He's more of a Stanley Kubrick type, you know, if there ever was one.

Amy (01:25) He's a cool it's a cool I just love he's got a guy he's got a human name, so it's pretty cool. All right. So your question is, what is your favorite genre of book since you're an avid reader?

Frank (01:37) Well, the depends on the mood. Now, history is always a a go-to for me because those who forget history are condemned to repeat it. So I I read history not just because I'm interested, but looking for clues and how to handle life now. my other genre is anything zombie apocalypse. it if it is end of world, end of days, walking dead, I am all over it.

Amy (02:06) You know, that's that's that's my husband Sean's genre of movie for sure. And I think I've watched all of them like multiple times with him because it's just a guy thing. But it is kind of because you ask yourself, what if, what if this happens? Although it probably never will. What if? All right. Well, so those are my two out of the gate questions. But okay, I wanna know how did running a marathon in France

come to be for you two. Like how does that even come to your mind?

Frank (02:39) More than just temporary insanity. it it was as much Vision Quest as anything else. Harman, I had always trundled, as Leslie calls my running. Then Harman picked it up probably three or four years ago and started really doing well with it and running his own marathons. And I thought, well, I'll start extending my runs and we'll have something to talk about. Wouldn't that be cool? You know, because he's getting older and

We don't have as many times to talk and opportunities. So it it it began something as simple as well he's doing it. I gotta see at fifty at that time, fifty five, if I could do it.

Harmon (03:22) And the thought was if you're gonna survive a long distance run, why not go somewhere cool and pretty in the process?

Amy (03:27) True,

Frank (03:28) Well, I mean something interesting happened on the way to the forum, as our friends in theater would say. couple weeks before the race, Harman and I got emails from the French government. Apparently the way they do these things, it's not like Saint Jude, where it's a Saint Jude event. We actually had to have physicals and all this kind of stuff done in our race bio.

Harmon (03:49) We had to take a class on signs and symptoms of cardiovascular stress. Wow. In French. I took his test for him. Don't tell anyone.

Amy (03:59) Translated it for him.

Frank (04:01) Ouch. Ouch, baby. Very ouch. Well, so the the the French asked us the question two weeks before, have you run Boston or New York? And of course our answer was no. And so they bumped us for two runners from America that had run those. So we actually, interestingly enough, only ran the half. And I was I I felt like

You know, you've trained your whole career to play in the World Series and you get your team to the World Series and right before first pitch, they send you down to the minors. Mm-hmm. Now, what helped me though was the 36 hours of my son. But the upside, and this is where I I I it truly changed my arc. I was so overprepared. I still ran 13 miles. We still did our personal best. We still saw all of it.

And equally important, we got to run international and we got to run it in a way, let's face it, you know, what is it that we had a thirteen mile head start on the marathoners and only three marathoners beat us.

Harmon (05:12) that was the funniest moment of my life. Mm-hmm. I we were running. Well, I was running alone because I ran away from I took that personally. And I was point to mo probably a couple hundred yards from the finish line. We were going through downtown con and everybody was cheering me. The crowd was randomly just

Frank (05:30) Going nuts.

Crowd going nuts.

Harmon (05:35) I

was like, guys, I know I'm a published author, but like, wow, not all at once. And I hear like a motorcycle drive past me, like with a little police siren, and I'm like, whoa. And then I see three very lanky gentlemen just blow past me. Wow. And I realized, those are the marathoners.

Amy (05:56) You got your thunder stolen a little bit after that, right?

Frank (05:59) I take nothing away from it. We had a thirteen mile head start, but only three of beat us.

Harmon (06:05) it's well, it's just so wild to think that they started at the same time thirteen point one miles behind us and three people past me. That is insane. That means they were going twice as fast as I

Amy (06:17) fast. Yeah, that's like something I couldn't do.

Harmon (06:21) I I couldn't the math did not make sense to me when I was in my head calcul like how fast they must have been going. If despite having a thirteen point one mile head start, I still would have not I would I got a fourth. And you know.

Frank (06:36) So it's it was it was a great experience. Obviously it hurt at first, but it also meant it's how in life you amend, okay, shift the goals, and okay, now that they've changed the parameters, moved the goalpost on us, okay, fine, we're running it even fast.

Amy (06:53) Right. We're gonna show you how it's done.

Frank (06:55) Yeah,

and that's and that's i you know, it's like all things in life. Okay, goalposts is moved, go to plan B, plan C, plan D. You can't quit. Right. So by God make it work.

Amy (07:07) Good message.

Amy (07:08) So what was the start and the finish? Like where did you start?

Frank (07:12) The the beaches, if if you look at it, the Calvados Coast, it starts with the British beaches, gold, Canadians at Sword, and the British at Juneau. And then it comes into the causeways and comes towards a town called Cahn, C-A-N. In the invasion, there were many reasons the Normandy was chosen, not the least of which was its access interstate system. The beaches could handle heavy equipment.

But also Caen was a center of highways. like five or seven interstates converged on that city. So historically speaking, it was vital. And for the race itself, it it's just phenomenal the countryside. It is phenomenal the history. we as Americans don't you know, we think 250 years is a long time.

Harmon and I were just passing by churches that were five, six, and seven hundred years old, and that's one of a dozen. You know, you see one and all of a sudden you're bored at when you see the next thirty or forty of them.

Amy (08:19) Hmm. Interesting. So on the route, because I have run a few ma half marathons, on the along the route are the French, is it mostly French fans? Are they all from all over? Do they have posters like we do here in America?

Harmon (08:37) So that's how I found my second, third, fourth, and fifth wins, in French. Ale is let's go, let's go, let's go. Okay. And I don't know, something about that pumped me up. and then I was running, surviving more down the the race and somebody looked at me and said, Vou et chien, which is you're a dog.

And I was I was I that got me an extra three miles out of the gas tank. just I was just going, it's just Swee and Shin. I am a dog. I said, Mercy wee wee.

Amy (09:12) Merci.

Harmon (09:14) Wow.

Amy (09:17) And so are they like are they people from all over? Or is it are you two people who came? I mean, is it is it like an international thing where there's lots of people like the St. Jude Marathon here, we've got people coming mainly from the States, but they're all over. But, you know, tons of Memphis people do that. Is it just a big collection of all?

Harmon (09:39) over? The actual race was probably super majority Normans. but because we were there for the eighty second anniversary, which was the day before, I heard English, I heard German, I heard Italian, I heard a lot of different languages. Wow. So the actual anniversary was completely global. A lot of people didn't see it through to the to the marathon, I guess. But

A lot of people were there celebrating.

Amy (10:10) That's awesome.

Frank (10:11) I heard Motley Crew Live. the you know, it I I kept it to the late eighties, early nineties crew as I was listening. so I really didn't hear a lot of other languages other than just American.

Amy (10:26) So why okay, first of all, how far in advance does one register for that? Like are you planning that like years in advance or just

Frank (10:35) November seventh.

Amy (10:36) of this past year?

Frank (10:38) Yes. it the when I surprised everybody and ran the St. Jude, and then Harmon ran it. Of course he ran it way faster than I did. I told him, Yeah, look, find me a really cool place, a really cool race. And for I think this was our third try to get registered, because it it sells out in 20 minutes, 30 minutes. So

When it goes live, you have to register and you have to make it happen. but that's you know, we were blessed this time, so we built a family trip around.

Amy (11:13) Right. And it did I did Leslie say Leslie is Frank's wife and Harmon's mom. She is a dear friend and a lovely lady. I did she tell me or did you tell Sean that you originally wanted to do the half and it was full. So you're y Harman, you just were like, Well, we're gonna do the full

Harmon (11:32) Half marathon sold out in thirty eight minutes. Okay. And I got there in forty five. Okay. Because I was at work and I was like, it'll be fine. it was not. It was not fine. Wow.

Frank (11:46) Welcome to the Ultimate Vision Quest though. Yeah. you know, if you're gonna go bigger, go home. as the old saying goes, now all of a sudden it's November seventh and you just got your mission for the next seven months.

Amy (11:58) Right. You know. It takes a lot of dedication, a lot of those long runs and all those things. I mean

Frank (12:04) Or it takes a death by five K. one of our preliminary races. it's held at Shelby Farms and it's actually ten five K's in twenty-four hours. And I never told you about that.

Amy (12:18) No. Okay. Wow.

Frank (12:20) The preparation as we got ready, w Harmon and I saw this race, Death by Five K, and the race basically it's a five K same course, starts every two and a half hours. It's timed, but it's not you there's no limit. And so we got our tents and our air conditioning and our heaters and we showed up at eight o'clock on a Saturday morning and finished about seven thirty the following Sunday morning, thirty miles total.

So we were running at four in the morning and three in the afternoon and and all that. But it it got us in a state of mind and prepared. And I I guess we should admit the only reason we did it, I mean, the the the award is cool. you get medallions. Death by five K gives you about a six inch casket with a fake skeleton inside. We just wow as guys, we thought that was so cool. We just had to have So we did that when it's sold.

Amy (13:20) well, I mean, you know, whatever kind of punishment you want on yourself, that sounds like a whole day of it. Yeah.

Frank (13:26) I have been informed that we will not be doing that again.

Amy (13:28) Not again. Not even for the c board.

Harmon (13:30) One and done. I already have the award, you know.

Amy (13:33) But you you won't do that again, but you'll ri w will you run this marathon that you've done again, or would you wanna pick one at like are y'all gonna make it a tradition to have one around the wor just wherever you pick? Somewhere again every year?

Frank (13:47) E every year, every other year. if there is a cool one, say like in Rome, I'm just picking random cities. you know, or Spain somewhere, maybe England, I I think that would be really cool 'cause for those of you considering picking up the sport of running, look, I'm not a small guy and it takes a lot of preparation. But at the same time, once you adopt the life and grow into it, it

just becomes a number, you know, people lose their minds at 30 miles or and how'd you run 10 or whatever. The fact of the matter is, it just becomes a number and almost to the point where you you're not dying so much as you can't l stop and kind of look around and enjoy the scenery and think, my God, I'm running Normandy or my God, I'm running Shelby Farms or my God, I'm running Rome. Mm-hmm. And so you start to really get into that life of

You start to pay attention to what's around you, you're not trying to pound that concrete into submission.

Amy (14:50) True. Okay, so this is probably the ladies will like me asking this question. What are the drinks and snacks on a marathon route in France?

Harmon (15:01) So, I also did the Saint Jude Marathon and I have a rule now and there's a story behind it. I don't drink while running marathons. No alcohol.

Amy (15:12) No water or Gatorade or anything?

no alcohol. Okay.

Frank (15:15) We don't remember miles seven, eight, and nine and Scotch no less.

Harmon (15:19) So

the Saint Jude Marathon runs past a couple of my favorite breweries and distilleries and they were giving out samples. and by mile nine I was having to consciously run in a straight line. it was an experience to say the least. so I don't have that. I don't do that anymore. But what's interesting is in the States we have goo, G U. Yep. Which is I mean, i I just say it's just

protein taste protein paste honey honey with electrolytes. Right. they don't they don't use that in France. I don't know if it's because half of that stuff's probably banned. But they don't have that. What they had was little banana slivers, apricots. They gave out full bottles of water. Where at like the St. Jude you have your little shot glass. Yep. Yep. They gave out full

twelve, fourteen fluid ounce bottles of water. So that was the most hydrated I've ever been on a run, as opposed to the little like pick me up shot.

Amy (16:26) Get all over your shirt too.

Harmon (16:29) I mean full on water bottles. And then at the end, I have a tradition where I gain weight during races. during the Death by Five K they fed us and I ate half a tray of chocolate pancakes. at this one they had a taste of Normandy buffet. Which at the at the end there was just tents of different cheeses and breads and wines made in Normandy. Wow.

And there were four lines and I snaked through them for about thirty minutes.

Amy (17:02) I mean I might consider running that far for

Harmon (17:05) It justified by experience it.

Frank (17:08) I was busy being laid out.

Harmon (17:10) He was recovering and I was getting on a first name basis with the nice people.

Amy (17:14) Yeah, on both of you.

Frank (17:17) If you think about it, you know, Harman's twenty-three and he he can physically do things naturally. for the for the for the for the older group, the older folks considering getting into all this, look, it's it's a building and it's a process. And y you know, I like the full bottles, but one thing I had to get used to, you know, if you start to run really long distances, potty brakes become, you know, mandatory.

Well, the French don't know what a portageon is. The French don't, to my knowledge, have any. So you see people scattering off to the woods in the middle of the race. And the French don't seem to have a real problem with that. So you know, a lot of things you just kinda have to get used to. Yeah. But I can tell you that it's the the views are outstanding and I even ran and took pictures while running just because these are things you're never gonna see again. And

How many of you have traveled or like me look at pictures of foreign places and it's amazing, but until you're there, until you actually walk it, I mean it's something else entirely.

Amy (18:29) Well, when I've run the half marathons that I've run, and this was a decade ago, I had to stop due to back issues that were not caused by it, but I didn't want to make them worse. but you know, there's a big emphasis emphasis here in the States about carbloating the night before. I have a feeling that's probably more of an American thing. Did they promote that there?

Harmon (18:50) They their food pyramid is very different than ours. every day is kind of carb loading to them. So it was just another day. Okay. Since their kind of price pyramid, I should say, is very like you eat a lot of carbs. Carbs are very easy. French beef is a little more expensive. Okay. So we had a nice we had mushroom risotto the night before at a nice restaurant next to

Let's see, like eight army reenactors. so it was fun. But that was I mean that where to us that's a carbo loading, that was just that was on the menu.

Frank (19:31) It's a day that ended wide the French.

Amy (19:34) Yeah, true.

Frank (19:35) Yeah, but it's i the the multicultural something y you guys might like, that because it was the eighty second anniversary, you know, there's no US president or anything, or the French prime minister president. But it was fascinating to me because the armies of Europe were represented there. I mean, there were Germans, Spanish, French, I think I saw Italian.

American troops.

Harmon (20:01) Yes.

Frank (20:02) And one of the funny things, and and this made all the rest of them really mad, when the French were off duty, they immediately took off their their officers' insignias and their nameplates and immediately began drinking beer in public in the open in their uniforms and could get away with it because they took their rank, their badges of rank off. And you could see the Americans kinda getting mad. The Germans even jealous. the Germans were even getting madder. Wow.

You know, it it really was a coming together of different groups thinking back to what the world was like back then and and the result of all that, and how it affects our world today.

Amy (20:41) Well, so did you have any unforeseen physical issues, like as far as acclimation, I know hurt.

Frank (20:47) What did

Amy (20:48) Well, I would say yeah, right. I'm I'm sure your knees

Frank (20:51) I could narrow it down to what didn't hurt.

Amy (20:53) Well, you know, I know and when I've run here in Memphis, it's you know, when I've run the Germantown half marathon, it's it's March. It could be really hot or really cold. You have no no gauge for what it's gonna be. if you know Memphis weather, you know Memphis weather. Also, when I was going to run the third Saint Jude, like Memphis froze that year and the mare it was all canceled. Like the whole AutoZone Park where we would meet and all those things was a sheet of ice and it was canceled.

So but the year before it was like sixty degrees. So y the acclamation part I was just curious if it's different there than here with what we deal with.

Harmon (21:33) the general strategy was similar. We we really wanted the the World War Two effect of come hell or high water, we'll make it work. Thankfully, I mean we say that now that if it were a hundred degrees we still would have figured it out. It was a beautiful sixty to like sixty four degrees. I think it

Frank (21:53) Entire right.

Harmon (21:54) could not have been a more beautiful morning to run. But I like to think that if it had been raining, we still would have

done it but we were very blessed with the weather.

Frank (22:07) Yeah, we w we were we were prepared for anything. Now another thing, Normandy's actually extraordinarily windy. It's it's the coast. Okay. After all. So it and the the the elevation change I think was three hundred meters. So the first two thirds of it are basically going uphill. And sometimes the wind was right in your face, so you really had to dig deep into my Motley crew catalog.

You know, to to to find the w find the way. But other than that, it was sunny, partly cloudy, very good conversations. You know, you could hear people running and talking and and doing all that.

Amy (22:46) Wow. So did training in the marathon together strengthen or change your relationship or did you know I mean, I'm sure you gained some respect I know you respect your dad, but I mean, I've got a lot of respect for you and we're about the same age, you know. I mean, there's gotta be some funny memories, like you were saying, you know, some of the things you've already said are funny, but were there any memorable things that you know, what surprised you about each other in it?

Harmon (23:12) The the depth by five K was the very clear peak of the training cycle. it's very interesting seeing again the fact that I'm 23 what I can get away with compared to my dad, because I have the utmost respect for him. I mean, the two nights before the marathon, we all went to dinner and I had let's see, we split a chocolate mousse dessert.

I had so like a brownie. I think there was ice cream too. I think of course I had I had some wine with dinner. what else was there? I think I had a crepe somewhere in there. And he had none of that. And he watched us all enjoy it and he was asked multiple times. He was tempted and he said no. And I mean utmost respect for that. That

Amy (24:00) Self control. What did you have?

Frank (24:03) shocker, Diet Cokes. which is kind of my go to when everybody's drinking. I have no idea why. But for me it was having my son at twenty three engaged, going to medical school in a month. You know, he's got such a life of his own and is building a world and a life that, you know, I'm just so happy just to get five minutes. Well, in Normandy, I got thirty-six hours. And Normandy

is also that place in history that I took him to go see a very specific tree. And it was Carwood Lipton's tree. It was if you watch Bandit Brothers at the end of the second episode when they assaulted the Bray Corps Manor and the gun positions. Guns are of course long gone, but the hedgerows are still exactly the same. Carwood's tree is the same, and this battle is actually still studied at West Point. And so I could take Harmon

To the manor, show him where the German emplacements were, show him how it lined up, and show him how this one guy who crawled up in a tree to shoot down on the Germans actually helped us win that fight. And I could show him exactly where and how it happened and probably bore him half to death as well as your listeners, but at the same time, you know, something that I just naturally love to do and love to read and love to understand. I could take my son out and show him firsthand.

The beaches, if you watch Saving Private Ryan, that's Omaha Dog Red and Dog Green. I took him to that very, very specific spot, walked him out to the water, walked him up to the shingle, and then walked him up to the German placements at the top of the bluff to explain to him how much of a turkey shoot it was. So for me, it was him humoring me, but also I think slightly interested, and being able to show him the things that I thoroughly enjoyed.

And then basically for lack of better words, just sitting listening to about his plans for med school, his plans for life in general.

Amy (26:03) I love that that's a memory that you will have. I mean, not to be cliche, but like that's really cool that it's not just, yeah, dad's shoes, you know, got really worn down and he could barely keep going at mile eighteen. I mean, that's like a that's a core memory you're gonna have as father or son. And that's what's so exciting to talk about about it. talk about what? What was that?

Harmon (26:27) Well, so there's a lot of different examples.

Frank (26:31) Armin was running really slow.

Harmon (26:33) So I was taking the scenic route on our our jaunt, just enjoying the vibes, playing the the normal tunes, you know, the alley alley oll, letting it go. And I'm just running and I hear very like I hear breathing. I'm like, I recognize that breathing. I look to my back left and I'm surviving. And I look to my back left and I see my dad. I'm like, hell no.

I I don't think I've ran that fast in my life.

Amy (27:04) Really alley alley.

Harmon (27:06) I I I told I was like, Who we're not doing this to

Frank (27:09) Fifth gear in a real big hurry.

Harmon (27:11) That that gave me a little motivation to finish strong. I didn't see him after that.

Amy (27:18) So who finished first? And what were your times? If you want to say.

Harmon (27:25) I honestly don't even because the so the problem is with timing is since we were in the that's also a funny

Amy (27:33) Two

different corrals, were you? Different corrals? Or did they do corrals?

Harmon (27:36) There. They did not do corrals. Okay. it's also a hilarious story. The race started at 8 55 a.m. And they had a map. I mean, full-on, I mean just reenact. Well, it's a normal map, but I was like, we're reenacting D-Day. We have to read a map to find the shuttle. The map was not in English, so I had to translate it. So I found the thing that said shuttle in French. And we get there. We parked at 805.

five AM So we parked fifty minutes before at the finish line. Cause it's not like a St. Jude or most other courses where it's kind of a loop. This is true A to B. So the start line is twenty six miles up the beach. Okay. So that's why we need the shuttle, you know, we're going. Everybody's walking the other way to the 5K, 10K start because the 10K is a loop. And we're like, okay, that's okay. It's okay. We're the signs say shuttle this way.

And we're walking, and we see a guy holding the sign that says shuttle. And we were like, qui est-ce que c'est? What is this, sir? And he started talking to us in French. And my my friend, I'm really good at speaking in French, not very good at listening in French. My fiance would say I'm not very good at listening in general, but I'm just gonna say not good at listening in French. So he starts talking in French, and I I've perfected my dumb American look of.

What's going on? And he he looked at us and goes, It's finished. It's no more And I said, What? What do you mean it's finished, it's no more? And he said, The shuttle finished ten minutes ago. And I said, darn

Amy (29:18) Life is all about how you f handle plan B.

Harmon (29:21) and with the help of an Uber, Ubering us to the start line, we made it.

Amy (29:27) That was a white knuckle Uber, wasn't it?

Harmon (29:29) I was using Google Maps and Apple Maps and looking at the Uber drivers maps to see and averaging the three estimated times of arrival. Wow. We made it I think we were in the last probably three percent of runners to start. So if Ray started eight fifty five, I think my video of my s crossing the start line's probably at nine ten AM, maybe nine ten, nine fifteen.

Frank (29:57) There were no corrals as much as it was just kinda everybody packed together, which made the first mile really challenging. Very, very heavy loaded people all around you. You can't get an angle. And so probably the worst first mile time ever. But it thinned out and thinned out and thinned out. And then all of a sudden, okay, now I can find my pace. Now I can get my goo and my water and all my things right. But it

Yeah, it's like the coach has always told us, you know, your surroundings and all that, you can let it distract you, you can let it throw you off your game, or make it work.

Amy (30:34) Right. Well, when when I was doing these, you know, I and there are corrals at the Saint Jude and the Germtown. I think there needs to be a short person corral. Because we have to go we have to take more steps than everybody else in a run or a walk. And being petite, it's like all these people have these long legs, they're gonna be right out of the gate so much faster than me. But for me it was always just about finishing, not about a time.

So I think the one time I beat my time by like two seconds and I was really proud of that. So but I do think they need to invent short people corrals. So but did anything in particular just really like what what would you describe that experience like in a word or two or a paragraph? Like what like, you know, when we've been certain places in the country, I'll be like, the weather was so great. Or when I've been certain places or certain memories, you know, you have that like

root of the memory of like what was the biggest thing you take take away from it together?

Frank (31:35) I got my son for thirty six hours.

Amy (31:36) That's the best.

Frank (31:38) I mean it's the best. As th and I'll give you a moment to think of your answer. I th the whole idea was I got Harman all to myself. We all know Leslie is a divine lady and she is going to capitalize the conversation pretty fast. And you know, I've always been able to kinda hang back and and hold the wall up and you know, 'cause she's Leslie's gonna do her thing.

This was as much fun as three hours to drive there to Normandy from Paris. It was another hour to get from Conn to the farthest westernmost beach, the American Utah Beach, and then see the tree and all those different things. And you know, i it's I I don't know, maybe Sean will dig on this. It was so frighteningly cool to sit there and look at dog red and dog green and eat an American hot dog after the race with Harmon.

And watch, you know, I guess there was a couple of topless bathers out there, but you know, all these people enjoying their day and sitting on a beach where eighty-two years and one day before the most monumental gamble in all of history, at least American history, American twentieth twentieth century history had happened. And so it it just you know, there are moments like that that just as a dad, a parent, you just don't forget.

Amy (33:02) Were Leslie and Ella at the finish line?

Frank (33:05) Leslie and Ella were with Gracie, Harmon's fiance. We

Amy (33:08) I forgot she went too, yeah.

Frank (33:10) were in Leon getting her wedding dress fitted. So they made excellent Yeah, they made excellent use of their time and that got us the parole and the time we needed to do our thing.

Harmon (33:21) You know, we offered them the chance to go look at trees and churches and walk on a beach, not swim on the beach and like sunbathe, but just walk on the beach. and they weirdly said no. Shocker. They d decided, I guess, that it would be more fun to go get wedding dresses and go drink champagne and go to the Leon Mall.

Amy (33:48) I mean they're not wrong.

Harmon (33:49) I know, when I say it out loud I understand.

Amy (33:51) I mean champagne and wedding dresses in France, like that's pretty cool.

Harmon (33:55) Lock on.

Amy (33:56) Good stuff.

Frank (33:57) U B U.

Amy (33:59) So okay, you were gonna tell him he could take his turn about like the core memory or what's your takeaway. What do you think is like your big takeaway?

Harmon (34:08) I have never seen my dad nerd out that much. wow. It was very fun, just kind of I mean, the worst but best analogy I can think of is kind of like a dog kind of like just running away and you're just like chasing them down. I've

Amy (34:26) 'Cause he's having so much fun.

Harmon (34:29) never seen him have that much fun. I mean, this was amazing. We had printed out maps.

of different areas and we had to read maps in the torrential wind to find these places. the history was very cool, but it was very fun seeing my dad in his element. and we I mean no reception. our car had GPS and that was all we had to go off of. My phone was not working for navigation. So we were I mean truly just

having a lot of fun. It was very enjoyable.

Amy (35:06) Did you have like one of those tiny little French cars? Like those little bitty cars you know I'm talking about? Like a little

Harmon (35:11) Carny US. So I this whoops. This this is a fun story you didn't know you walked into. I reserved a funny little fun French car, and I reserved it specifically with I won't say the company, because th this story goes downhill. So we reserved the funny little French car with unli it was an electric car with unlimited miles and unlimited charging.

I specifically paid for that because I knew we were gonna be putting some miles on this vehicle. We get there. the gentleman at the the check-in desk after waiting for too long because why be in a rush? It's the French. starts talking to us and he says, this car's no good. is this car will not get you the distance you need. So of course he has a nice brand new Mercedes.

with five hundred miles on it. That does have the the range and everything necessary. And he said it's only one hundred Euros. And I said, only one okay. We'll see about that. But okay. So we get the unlimited charging and the unlimited mileage on this twenty twenty seven full electric Mercedes. It had a camera. You could take selfies inside of it.

I was randomly joking, I was like, this is a fancy car. I went, hello, Mercedes. And then it started talking back to me. So it was a very nice car. And then I got the bill a week later. and

Frank (36:54) They hosed us.

Amy (36:55) The most expensive marathon trip ever.

Harmon (36:57) They house

does.

Frank (36:59) They hosted but

again it was an AMG with five hundred miles on it, so it it

Amy (37:08) New car smell still.

Frank (37:09) was brand why it was choice. It was choice.

Harmon (37:13) It was so nice. We intentionally drove back to the Airbnb to show it off to my mom and Gracie and my sister. And they almost considered going with us because it was that cool of a car. They still again decided the champagne and wedding dresses, but

Amy (37:31) Yeah. And she picked a dress, right?

Harmon (37:33) She did. Okay. Funniest story. So she has family everywhere. And she was talking to her grandmother, who their maiden name is Guillot, like the guillotine. So

Amy (37:46) Okay. you sure

Harmon (37:47) no pressure on me. But her grandmother with maiden named Guillot has family in Lyon, and one of her distant cousins happens to be a wedding dressmaker. Wow. So it's her cousin.

fifth cousin like once removed or whatever the genealogy is, who made the wedding dress. I haven't seen it, but everybody everybody who has has cried and has loved it. So I'm very excited.

Amy (38:18) Well that that's perfect segue into talking about some other things about you guys because there is more to you than a marathon. But is there anything else you want to talk about the marathon before we move on to other topics? Would you recommend it? Okay.

Frank (38:34) Absolutely.

Harmon (38:37) my fiance Gracie, she very jokingly well jokingly said it, but it it's very true. The trop or the little medal you get when you finish, it's a participation trophy. Sure. But the good news is you just have to participate. True. If you aren't gonna get in the top three, just get through it. Right. Survive. You know? If you're one of the hyper fly people getting first, second, third, go do your thing. More power to you.

But if you're not that, just have fun. Enjoy it.

Amy (39:08) Well, as a parent, when I knew about this happening with you guys, I just thought that was the neatest thing. a bonding moment. when my youngest and I travel to Nashville for his trap and skeet shooting. I have him to myself for three hours that way, three hours back this year. Sean could not go. And I had him for our stay and we went to dinner. I had him all to myself. And that is as a parent.

It it's gold. I love that having one on one. But you guys have like one on one on steroids here. Like y'all had it like big time.

Frank (39:44) But how many conversations do you have with people, no matter how long the party and and you barely scratch the surface. You you you know, it's it's once you get past the pleasantries, you know, you you kinda go into your old world of fifteen second sound bites. You know, people ask how you're doing, they're not really asking.

Amy (40:02) Yeah, I I totally.

Frank (40:03) Whereas on these kinds of things in the death by five K, Harman would say something like Flesh that out, man, expand. And and

you know, we have the time and I don't understand waves and leaves and he can sit there and and think through the book and explain it in a way I might understand. And we can have fun with it because I'm not sitting there staring at the clock or itching to get back to the bar or, you know, the party's ending or anything like that. So if the the upside to doing it is three hours there, three hours back for the trap. And they could say something about a class they're having and have the time to explain and you can

Yeah, probe it with questions.

Amy (40:45) Right. So did you give him any marriage advice while y'all were bonding on the trip?

Frank (40:49) Hell no.

Amy (40:50) Do you have any marriage advice?

Frank (40:53) She's right, you're wrong, you're sorry, you apologize, you'll never do it again, you learned your lesson.

Amy (40:58) Okay. Noted. Written.

Harmon (41:00) Yeah.

Amy (41:01) All right. So Harmon, let's talk a little bit about what you've got going on in your life. you're engaged to lovely Gracie and I have met her and I a very quick read on people and adored her. When I met her, we went to breakfast over two years ago. I think y'all are adorable. And what are y'all's plans? Like when's the wedding? Excuse me, when's the wedding? What are your plans after that?

Harmon (41:28) Yes. So we just kind of our couple year plan. We move into our new apartment in two days. okay. Movers booked, everything confirmed, headache ready to happen. Ready to happen. it's on the third story. I apologize to the movers in advance and I reminded them how much they charge an hour, so I said good luck. So that we have our amazing cat stan.

Amy (41:54) Stands part of the family.

Harmon (41:56) S we love Stanley. Stanley has found his voice over the past few months and he knows how to use it at three AM.

Amy (42:03) I understand that from your mom that she's been keeping him a little bit.

Harmon (42:08) I will I am not surprised that she is you know, she's like, you know, since you're moving, maybe you want to get settled in, we can keep standing a little longer. You know, she's already starting to get that going. Mm-hmm. we're getting married May twenty ninth, twenty twenty seven, at Saint Michael's Church. It's gonna be very fun. Father Ben, our favorite priest, is gonna be doing the ceremony.

Amy (42:33) So speaking of Father Ben, just let me add that Father Ben was we were friends in high school and he went as like my friend's date with us to Miss St. Agnes 1989. Really? Yeah, we go back a long way. Wow.

Frank (42:49) Well has he always been like

Amy (42:51) He's pretty well, he hung out with me, yeah. No, just kidding. He

Frank (42:53) He's just a good guy.

Amy (42:55) he's he's amazing and he has done so much for the Catholic Church locally for everyone.

I know his parish now has I think thirty five hundred registered families. That's incredible.

Frank (43:05) Good.

Amy (43:06) Yes he is. Yes. And he cooks. I mean, he bakes. He d he what can he not do? okay, so you're getting married May twenty ninth. Yes. Okay. Saint Michael's. Noted. Send me an invitation, please.

Harmon (43:20) We're working on the save of the dates as we speak.

Amy (43:23) So we'll we're our son got married May thirtieth this year. So I know that weekend, it's a great weekend to get married. so let's talk about your brain because you're really smart. I have a feeling a little bit of this conversation's gonna be way above my head. but you're going to med school in a month.

Harmon (43:42) I start? Yes. In a month, we have orientation for full days of how not to kill anyone. Okay. Or if you do, well, okay, how not to kill anyone. Okay.

Frank (43:55) Yeah, take it. Four days of how not to kill somebody. Good advice.

Amy (43:59) When

when you're at I think we've talked about this before, when we were at breakfast that one time, about what kind of doctor you want to be. And if I remember correctly, you I think you said maybe a neurosurgeon.

Harmon (44:12) Yes. I love neurosurgery. Okay. sadly, well, the situation is being a neurosurgeon is a lot of devotion, a lot of commitment. and it's kind of where your priorities in life. And I really like Gracie. Yeah. I really like her. I like spending time with her and my cat. Yeah. So kinda as as I get more into medical school and I I as I am about to start it, I really just want to pass. Right. Just wanna get through it.

Amy (44:42) So you're at this point you're not sure like what field yet. You

Harmon (44:44) Yeah.

Amy (44:45) gotta do all those like rotation thing. Is that how it goes?

Harmon (44:47) That's what I'm most looking forward to is I have two years of rotating wherever and with whatever specialty, besides the the required ones, of course. And that's when I think I'm gonna hammer it in. I also like ophthalmology. I like eyeballs. I think half the job requirement is not getting grossed out by them. and I

Amy (45:06) My husband gets very grossed out about eyeball stuff. Like if you've got something in your eye, he cannot look at you. It's it's it's he's kinda dramatic about it, but it's is he does not like eyeballs.

Harmon (45:17) fascinating.

Amy (45:17) It is. Yeah, it's a weird it's a weird learn.

Harmon (45:20) Yeah. See I can't I can't do like dentistry work. Like the thought of teeth like getting pulled terrifies me. Or like wisdom teeth surgery. So I couldn't do that in the slightest. but eyeballs not so much. and that's kind of what I studied in undergrad was imagery and optics and lenses. So home feeling.

Amy (45:40) People are always gonna have eyeballs, so there's always gonna be a consumer for that, I guess.

Harmon (45:45) I mean You know, you can cure a lot of things, but LASIK surgery is revolutionary.

Amy (45:50) Mike Chris had that.

Harmon (45:51) It's amazing. I had it, best decision of my life. Yeah.

Amy (45:56) and during your college tenure at Mizzou, you were an EMT.

Harmon (46:01) Yes.

Amy (46:02) And I've heard some gruesome stories and some crazy stories from your mom about it. And I think you'd you've you've told us some of them too. Do you have any story you'd like to share about life saving or anything like w what was your most common kind of call?

Harmon (46:20) What's really interesting, the average human being, the statistics might be outdated, and this is what I tell every new person I interact with and I interacted with every new person because that was my job in the back end with that company. the average human being has four point eight true emergencies in their life. Nine one one mission critical emergencies. The average EMT at Boone Health EMS where I worked has five calls of shift.

So on average in eight hours, you are seeing more emergencies than the average human being sees in their lifetime. Wow. what's interesting is you notice a lot of trends. So the summer of twenty twenty-three, a lot of bad drugs were dealt. I was a lot. The hospital almost ran out. Just flat ran out of Narcan. So sad.

Amy (47:13) Yeah.

Harmon (47:14) those were fascinating calls. Fascinating to kind of

see how the brain reacts. A lot of other times when it gets hot out, you know, a lot of unhoused communities get very uncomfortable.

Amy (47:27) Yes, yes.

Harmon (47:30) a lot of fun call the cardiac arrests, I think, are the easiest call. it's the most studied call on emergency medicine. That's when your heart stops and you do the stay in a live CPR, which I recommend everybody learn. That, in my opinion, is the easiest call and

My political answer is because it's the most studied, most understood call. There's checklists and apps on your phone you can download. My true answer is they're dead. You can't make it any worse. So just do your best.

Amy (47:59) Wow.

Harmon (48:00) Like if somebody's having a heart attack and circling the drain, you have to do your job. Right. Which I love doing, of course. Right. But if they're in cardiac arrest, the other term for cardiac arrest is death. Right. So

Amy (48:12) I I think that's great that you've gone the EMT route during college so that when you are a doctor, whether it's eyeballs or whatever you're gonna do, that you are you know how the other end of that is, you know? That's important.

Frank (48:28) Well, I think it was good for him, but if I can just jump up just two seconds. I I I think there's bit of a sheltering that we all have led in life and just where we are. And as much as it was a brutal slap in the face going on his first day's calls and the experience that he got, the you know, one where I would salute Harmon is his attitude.

it's it's can do now. It's not, my dear God, or you ain't gonna believe this. It's like, okay, this happened. This is what we do, this is how we handle it. And it's getting out of your comfort zone, but it's also seeing people on their worst days and having the right attitude, which I've always been impressed, especially last few years, just in how he deals with it and how he approaches it.

it's very calming, interestingly enough, as I was dying at the end of the race, or perhaps circling the drain, he was just walks up eating a crepe, drinking a glass of beer.

Amy (49:33) My kind of guy.

Frank (49:34) What are you doing? Yeah. And I'm just like, you know, leave me alone. I'm dying. And he just he's like, yeah, you look okay. You want a crepe? And he just literally was shifting the conversation and getting me back to amongst the living.

And I didn't realize maybe he didn't even realize what he was doing, but it was that sort of attitude and approach that, yeah, okay, I'll be fine, I'll get over that.

Amy (49:57) Well, it sounds like you and Leslie have raised him right. They're they you gave him an anchor. I'm gonna give you a little credit.

Frank (50:03) one percent. Leslie gets ninety nine. Okay, you're Leslie gets ninety nine percent.

Amy (50:07) About Harmon, I have to address that Harmon is a published author at twenty-three years old. And I will always remember how proud your mom was of this book coming out. But she was so humble about it because she told me the title of it. I'm like, can you say that again? so the book is called Waves and Leaves Quantum Mechanics from a Biomedical Engineer, number one Amazon bestseller by Harman Colvette.

It is on Amazon for hardcover for twenty one dollars and paperback for eleven ninety nine. And the description I don't understand any of it. This book is an introduction to quantum mechanics from the perspective of a biomedical engineer and it talks about c the concepts that can be applied towards biomedical engineering and it serves as a synthesis of the different cutting edge technologies invented at the intersection of biomedical engineering and quantum mechanics. Okay, what did I just read?

Frank (51:06) Yeah, in English.

Amy (51:07) What what is that to the layperson?

Harmon (51:09) So that summary I really don't like. I'm really trying to work on rewriting, working with Amazon to get that rewritten because that's the the Amazon summary of the book. How I like to describe it is I went to school for engineering for four years. I learned a lot about engineering, biomedical engineering. I learned how to build bridges and structural mechanics. That class made me cry. But the problem well, and then I would also read these books.

like how to get rich or atomic habits, which is a really great book. But all these entrepreneurial books which talk about how to be successful, but the problem was they never ki they kind of left you wanting more. So the purpose of the book is and it how I I like to describe every chapter, it starts above water and then I grab you by the ankles and drag you straight down. Good

Amy (52:01) Okay, that's a good analogy. I like that.

Harmon (52:02) description. And each chapter, I think there's like twelve in total, eleven in total. We

I went through the editing phase and changed around a lot of chapters. Each chapter, like the cardiology chapter, we started with the basics of what a heart cell does. The heart cell takes the electricity and converts that into actual physical motion, which is a heartbeat. And then I drag you by your ankles down, then I go, okay, here is the threshold of our knowledge of March of 2026 when my final version went to publish. Here's where we're at.

Here's where you can get really, really successful, get a Nobel Prize, get very rich if you can crack these questions. Wow. And that's what I wish I had. Starting out end of high school, starting in college. I wish I had here are the questions we have not answered. Here you go. Like if you like MRIs, if you like imagery, which I love imagery. I think MRIs are fascinating. It's kind of cool being able to look in inside of something without cutting it open. Right. Here's our threshold.

Right. Xenon based MRIs, hyperpolarized gas MRIs. Or if you like neurology, here's where we're at on the thought of neurological cells, how they send signals. Here's the threshold. Here is your next step. I can't figure out the question. I've tried. I've tried to answer every question in that book, but that's why they're questions. Yeah.

Amy (53:24) You

know, sitting here with you, I notice you smile when you talk about your book and you smile when you talk about going to med school and you smile when you talk about your fiance and your dad and all those other things. But I mean you're a covet. You're a covet. You're a covet.

Frank (53:38) Throwaway comment extra check.

Amy (53:41) That's

this is the kind of doctors that we need who have a passion. You're not just doing it for a lifestyle or I mean, there's a lot that goes behind the scenes of that lifestyle for you too as a doctor. But it sounds like I know how sm well I don't know how smart you are. You're you're way above me, but it sounds like a promising future with I mean, who how many people do you know who are author at twenty three? I don't know many. Have you read the book, Frank?

Frank (54:06) I attempted it. Okay. Okay. i I was more happy that when the mayor and the former mayor pulled me aside at an event and your son is now a published author. I

Amy (54:17) It's kinda cool here.

Frank (54:18) mean You know, if I hadn't genetically tattooed the kid, I would probably say he's somebody else's son, but

Amy (54:25) He's Leslie's. All right, well, okay, about you. How's Ava your dog?

Frank (54:31) Ava D Dog is fourteen. Okay. So the the the hearing, the sight, the smell, the she's not so good at that anymore. But yeah, she's my little girls.

Amy (54:41) She's

your little girl. And how what are how are real estate trends, since that's your field? What how how are things looking?

Frank (54:48) Well, interest rates, now that we're not bombing any well, when I take that back, we bombed we bombed Iran yesterday. when we're not bombing people, folks tend to not pay as much for gasoline, which makes them more apt to buy a a big purchase like a house. In all seriousness, I think for probably ninety nine percent of the agents, it's a downtime. For me, we're doing incredibly well.

kind of and maybe this is where I rubbed off on Harman, you know, I'm the guy in the office five minutes before I'm supposed to be there, you know, eight o'clock. And I'm the usually the first person there, usually the last person to leave. And that's just how I think and how I work. And I'm the lead there on Saturday. So real estate I think is good for some, bad for most. If you are looking to buy a house, now is exactly the time because two years ago it was ten buyers for every house.

Now it's one buyer gets to choose from 10 to 20 houses. So as a buyer, especially a first-time buyer, you have a ton of options. You can buy the house that fits you, or really fits mama. because again, men's opinions don't matter. the a truth in real estate, and you heard it here first. You know, if she's smiling, we're offering. And I don't care the couple, I don't care how they play or how they work, if she

is smiling, we're offering. If he is smiling or I'm smiling, no one cares. It is irrelevant.

Amy (56:21) Remember this.

Harmon (56:22) Never

against down.

Frank (56:23) Absolutely utterly irrelevant. So on the buy side, it's strong. I would say the Burbs, Germantown, Carrierville, Lakeland, Arlington are still red hot. Carrierville, especially, you buy it today, you can sell it within the year and break debt even after you pay realtor fees. So six percent increase in price in one year. Typically in Germantown, it's only two to three years, and you sell it, you make money. So it's a good time.

And lastly, I would say that you know the days of the two, three, and four percent interest rates are ancient history.

Amy (56:59) I'm

Frank (57:00) Yeah, you're not gonna see those again. So the natural evolution of things of people downsizing or shifting or upsizing more kids or first time homebuyers, you know, everybody's gonna be moving away from their two, three, and four percent loans and and we're starting to see that.

Amy (57:20) Well I love all this information about you, and now it's time for my famous rapid fire

Frank (57:25) Where on us.

Amy (57:26) music or podcast while you're running.

Harmon (57:29) If I'm running for speed music, if I'm running for enjoyment podcast. Okay.

Frank (57:33) Van Halen, nineteen eighty one, Mid South Coliseum, september third, eighteen.

Amy (57:40) That's a core memory for you.

Frank (57:41) better believe it. I saw Eddie Van Halen played the very first time.

Amy (57:44) Water or sports drinks for a long run?

Harmon (57:48) Water and goo. So I I would say mainly water.

Frank (57:51) Water and good.

Amy (57:53) While you're in France, Crape or Croissant.

Frank (57:56) Yes.

Amy (57:57) Both

Okay, okay. Treadmill or outdoor runs. Outdoors. Yep.

Harmon (58:04) Can't do a treadmill.

Amy (58:05) Steak or cake.

Frank (58:06) Yes.

Amy (58:07) Yes.

Harmon (58:09) Yeah. Okay.

Amy (58:11) one quick steep hill or a long steady hill?

Harmon (58:16) Quick and steep. Get it over with.

Frank (58:19) Depends on the distance.

Amy (58:20) 'Cause those those long steady ones can really they can creep up on you. Train in the morning, afternoon, evening, or any time you can fit it in. Yes. Yes. Okay.

Harmon (58:31) Anytime.

Amy (58:32) Diet Coke or Diet Pepsi. This is an easy one for you, Frank. Oak.

Frank (58:35) Died coat.

Amy (58:36) He should be the you should have a billboard for that. Yeah, there

Harmon (58:39) We're working on a sponsorship for him.

Amy (58:41) really should be. okay, and the last one of this is who is a fictional character you would like to be friends with?

Frank (58:49) Jack Ryan. Okay. I I liked his analytical skills. I liked the fact that he made a lot of money in the market while also being a member of the Central Intelligence Agency. Also, Mr. Clancy had a habit with his thousand page books of fully developing his characters so that when they died you cried. When they won you cheered. You felt like no matter who they were, you knew them.

And his his attention to detail, waves and leaves, his attention to detail in his books about how things work, I thought was utterly fascinating and how Jack Ryan negotiated it and also became a two-time sitting United States president. I thought was it was a charmed life, well worth living once.

Amy (59:38) Okay.

Harmon (59:40) I just realize I don't remember the last time I've read a fiction book or what

Amy (59:44) It could be it could be from a movie. Like Woody, I mean, you know, Buzz Lightyear, anyone like that.

Harmon (59:50) I watched Interstellar on the plane ride back. Okay. And the main character Cooper Matthew McConaughey's character. All right, all right, all right. I'd like to hang out with him. Okay. He seems cool. Okay. He's also an astronaut, which I like that. Okay.

Frank (1:00:02) Yeah, I th McConaughey's that guy you just love to drink a beer with.

Amy (1:00:07) Have you read his book, Green Lights?

Harmon (1:00:10) poems and prayers. The his his poetry book was my Christmas gift to my dad.

Amy (1:00:17) That green that green lights is a good book. Motivational book. I'll try.

Frank (1:00:22) that's he's you know, the there's a fun part of life where their public figures, Winston Churchill, Ronald Reagan, you just would love to sit down, drink a beer, and pay just

Amy (1:00:34) Yeah.

Frank (1:00:35) just let the guy talk. Don't care what he wants to talk about. I don't care. Just start. Right. And just wire him up and let him go. And I think in life, whether it's sales, being a doctor or elected official, you know, it it's

Not BS, it's just genuine likability.

Amy (1:00:52) I mean, yeah, and y you know, you can be asked the question too. Hypothetically, I'll just throw this one out there if you want to answer this one. But for example, if I could meet like any real person, like live right now, Dolly Pardon, hands down. Yes.

Harmon (1:01:04) Yes.

Amy (1:01:04) Let I mean 'cause Dolly and I are real positive people.

Harmon (1:01:08) Yeah, she opened.

Amy (1:01:09) We're kinda like positive people repellents. P negative I mean negative people repellents. Negative people really don't like me. Negative people suck. They do, right? But she's just so magical and she just yeah, she opened a gas station thing. Cool.

Harmon (1:01:19) New gas station.

I I Google map to it.

Frank (1:01:23) She has a guest.

Harmon (1:01:24) It's like a Bucky's but it's Dolly Parton's it's it's like Tennessee themed.

Frank (1:01:29) Pro trip. I

Amy (1:01:30) I mean, right?

Frank (1:01:31) I just want to see it because you know you're going to walk in. I don't care how you walk in, you're going to walk out smiling.

Amy (1:01:37) How can you not? It's Dolly. Like it's just she's just Dolly. And her cinnamon bread at Dollywood is worth the drive.

Frank (1:01:44) You need to call to get a get some support money for your show. yeah, between Diet Coke and Dolly World.

Amy (1:01:50) Yeah, right. Yeah. But I want to meet, I want I would want to meet her. Okay. So this wraps it up. You're a fantastic duo to have. I feel like I've actually learned a lot about a lot of things today. we are so grateful you came. And I say we because, you know, we're Sean and I are a team and he's all behind the scenes and helping me. everybody, I will have a link to Harmon's

book for you when we post on the social media pages about when this podcast is airing. if you know of anyone or you are someone who has an extraordinary story, cause, mission in life, business that you want to come on and talk to me, here is my email to reach me. It is Amy Keyspodcast at gmail dot com. That is A-M-Y-K-E-Y-S.

podcast at gmail.com. And we just are so grateful you came in for a listen. Until next time.